Well, I found this on Ephesians 5:11 Blog, and it is pretty interesting. The blogger takes a very close look at Missler’s endorsement of Have Heart, and Missler’s later admission that he hadn’t read all of the book!
But that isn’t satisfactory, not at all. Nor is it that simple.
The Ephesians5:11Blog takes us through this thing step by step. click_to_read
Related article: READ
Her priests have done violence to My law and have profaned My holy things; they have made no distinction between the holy and the profane, and they have not taught the difference between the unclean and the clean; (Ezekiel 22:26)
Why do some pastors allow A.A. meetings to be held in the church? Because they believe sobriety and salvation may result. And because they have never considered, or have ignored, the numerous scriptural prohibitions against such a thing. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17, Galatians 1:6-9, Isaiah 42:8)
Why does the Lord not want us drinking out of the same spiritual cup as the world? Why does the Lord not want us exposed to numerous false “higher powers”? In this ”A.A. General Services Conference approved literature,” the author of A Member’s Eye View of Alcoholics Anonymous answers, albeit unintentionally, these questions:
“In fact, I am convinced that the greater a member’s years [in A.A.], the less important the nature of this power becomes.”
The less important the nature of God becomes?
Participation in A.A. spirituality often results in dilution of our understanding, knowledge, and love of God. In fact, this is what has already happened to the Body of Christ. In The Fall of the Evangelical Nation, secular author Christine Wicker credits Alcoholics Anonymous with “hastening the fall of the evangelical church.” (pg. 134-138)
Wicker states A.A.’s Twelve Step program “slowly exposed people to the notion that they could get the [higher power] without the dogma, the doctrine, and the outdated rules. Without the church in fact.” This has removed the authority and influence of “the preacher and the Bible and tradition.” (pg. 134-38)
Incredible, then, that we now have pastors who are themselves helping hasten this process by inviting the A.A. religion into the church.
This article (click_to_read) continues to have an impact in a very challenging battle–warning Christians about Alcoholics Anonymous. Some have chosen to portray A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson’s drunken trip to an altar as “proof” of conversion to Christ. Yet Wilson communed for decades with unclean spirits, experimented with LSD to help the “influx of God’s grace,” and designated a portion of royalties from his A.A. books to his last mistress. [1]
Francis Hartigan was the secretary for Lois Wilson, Bill’s wife, for thirteen years. He had many conversations with Lois about Bill. He writes, “[A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson's] belief in God might have become unshakeable, but he could never embrace any theology or even the divinity of Jesus, and he went to his grave unable to give his own personal idea of God much definition. In this sense, he was never very far removed from the unbelievers.” [2] (Bold mine)
Christians who rationalize that it is okay to participate in A.A., or pastors who allow A.A. to hold meeting in churches, are in disobedience to the Lord. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17, Galatians 1:6-9, Isaiah 42:8)
There are many myths protecting A.A.–not the least of which is the program’s alleged effectiveness. Portrayed as something that works, if a person will simply “work the program,” Alcoholics Anonymous discourages development of treatment alternatives, and continues to point millions away from Jesus Christ.
Did A.A. co-founders Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob Smith care about alcoholics? Absolutely. But A.A. and the Twelve Steps came from an unholy place, and many of us do not want to face this.
Here, if you haven’t read it, is the article: click_here_to_read
Endnotes:
1. http://mywordlikefire.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/if-a-a-co-founder-was-christian-why-so-much-adultery/
2. Francis Hartigan, Bill W., pg. 123
First of all, no one seeks God, none. “THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD” Romans 3:11 God is the one who draws the sinner to Christ {John 6:44}.
“To us, the Realm of the Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive” how utterly false is this comment! What did Christ Himself teach us in Matthew 7 – “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”
Anyone who seeks freedom from the bondage of sin, in this case, drunkenness, in a man-made method will never be free. They will become slaves to endless meetings, support groups, sponsors, rituals, methods, etc. All the while, they live in fear of their addiction, oftentimes trading addictions, i.e., from alcohol to pills, or even making A.A. their addiction, their ‘god’. May the grace and mercy of Almighty God open those blind eyes and deaf ears; there is only One who can truly free us from sin’s grip…Christ and Christ alone!!
Bless you brother,
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“We found that God does not make too hard terms with those who seek Him. To us, the Realm of the Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive; never exclusive or forbidding to those who earnestly seek. It is open, we believe, to all men. When, therefore, we speak to you of God, we mean your own conception of God.” –From the “Big Book,” the A.A. “bible,” pg.46-47 (Bold mine)
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord… (2 Corinthians 6:14-17)
“At first, though, my host thought I was ribbing him. He knew little of psychics and had heard nothing before this of my adventures.”–A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson, PASS IT ON, pg. 277 (bold mine)
“[A.A. co-founder Dr. Bob] felt that in far distant centuries, the science of the mind would be so developed as to make possible contact between the living and the dead.”–Dr. Bob’s son, “Smitty,” quoted in his father’s official A.A. biography, DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers, pg. 311 (bold mine)
There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. (Proverbs 16:25)
“Now these people, [A.A. co-founders] Bill and Dr. Bob, believed vigorously and aggressively. They were working away at the spiritualism; it was not just a hobby.” –Early A.A. member Tom Powers, PASS IT ON, pg. 280
There shall not be found among you anyone who … uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorceror, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12)
“While musing over the first cup, there was a sudden ‘intrusion.’ Questioning the purported entity, he gave me a Scandinavian name, now forgotten. More questions developed that he didn’t realize that he was dead. … Of course, this was a typical experience that our amateur circle had often had with those discarnates who seemed stuck in some sort of purgatorial state.” –A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson, PASS IT ON, pg. 276
Do not turn to mediums of spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God. (Leviticus 31:19)
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. (Deuteronomy 18:10-11)
So, this is how it will be. The thing behind The Shack continues to writhe its way into the Body of Christ. It is, in retrospect, very significant that this novel includes communication with the dead.
The Father-goddess of The Shack–the Queen of Heaven–has brought much more than the beginning of goddess worship into the church; much more than a “god” who does not punish sin.
Yes, The Shack is but one component. It all runs together–blending, compromising, a sly rebellion against the Holy One and His Word.
Men such as Greg Laurie and Chuck Missler endorse another book [1] where the authors claim their dead son is communicating with the living. This book is also endorsed by the author of The Shack.
Now, as we can see over at Discernit, Perry Stone and his father talk about the spirit of a dead guy who supposedly had a message for Fred Stone, and we hear about Fred Stone’s heavenly visit, where he read from a new book…. You will have to see this to believe it. click_to_watch_video
Prepare for ever-increasing acceptance of revelation(?) from the dead. Prepare yourself for this as well: It will be claimed that these apparitions, these visitations, these experiences, are granted from God Himself…so all His biblical prohibitions against necromancy and spiritism will no longer have meaning.
In other words, welcome to the New de-Reformation–where “experience” trumps the Bible.
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.” (Leviticus 19:31)
Endnotes:
LSD for “influx of God’s grace” has been added to the A.A. History articles list. This deals with A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson’s LSD experimentation.
The A.A. history articles:
LSD for “influx of God’s grace”: click_here_to_read
Does A.A. contradict the Bible? READ
Seances, Spirits, and 12 Steps: READ
Alcoholics Anonymous Co-Founders Were Not Christians: READ
Early A.A. Heresy: READ
Alcoholics Anonymous and Contemplative Spirituality: READ
Hard Truth About Alcoholics Anonymous: READ
Does Christ teach what A.A. teaches?
“We found that God does not make too hard terms with those who seek Him. To us, the Realm of the Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive; never exclusive or forbidding to those who earnestly seek. It is open, we believe, to all men. When, therefore, we speak to you of God, we mean your own conception of God.” –From the “Big Book,” the A.A. “bible,” pg.46-47 (Bold mine)
Christ tells us: “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is BROAD that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.” (Matthew 7:13)
Yet, the A.A. Big Book (the A.A. “bible”) again makes a direct reference to this spiritual Broad Highway: “If our testimony helps sweep away prejudice, enables you to think honestly, encourages you to search diligently within yourself, then, if you wish, you can join us on the Broad Highway. With this attitude you cannot fail. The consciousness of your belief is sure to come to you.” (pg. 55) (Bold mine)
“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is BROAD that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.” (Matthew 7:13)
In our previous post, Contradicting_Jesus, we observed that Alcoholics Anonymous encourages the very thing that Jesus warns against:
“We found that God does not make too hard terms with those who seek Him. To us, the Realm of the Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive; never exclusive or forbidding to those who earnestly seek. It is open, we believe, to all men. When, therefore, we speak to you of God, we mean your own conception of God.” –From the “Big Book,” the A.A. “bible,” pg.46-47 (Bold mine)
Christ tells us: “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is BROAD that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.” (Matthew 7:13)
Yet, the A.A. Big Book (the A.A. “bible”) again makes a direct reference to this spiritual Broad Highway: “If our testimony helps sweep away prejudice, enables you to think honestly, encourages you to search diligently within yourself, then, if you wish, you can join us on the Broad Highway. With this attitude you cannot fail. The consciousness of your belief is sure to come to you.” (pg. 55) (Bold mine)
“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is BROAD that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.” (Matthew 7:13)
A.A. anti-biblical history: click_HERE-for_articles
